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ATTN all elfwood lj members
For a while now I've heard people say how the numerous elfwood-related journals are confusing, and I've seen plenty of "I'm not sure if this is in the right spot". The elfwood lj mods have decided that removing some of the communities would probably be a good idea, for simplicity's sake. The question is, how many do we get rid of and which ones? So we decided to poll you for your input.

Poll #560444 Elfwood LJs

Which of the following would you prefer?

Keep things the way they are
32(24.1%)
Keep some communities but get rid of others
81(60.9%)
Condense them all into one
20(15.0%)

Which communities would prefer to get rid of? (Check all that apply)

elfwoodprojects
7(5.1%)
elfwoodrules
1(0.7%)
ew_suggestions
0(0.0%)
elfwoodrant
1(0.7%)
elfwoodplugs
7(5.1%)
Don't get rid of any
29(21.2%)

I know these aren't all of the elfwood-related journals, but these are the ones that myself and the other mods of this community are maintainers for.

Also note that if any condensing is done, I doubt any of the journals would be removed entirely. Posting and commenting access would be completely restricted, but old posts could still be viewed.

Thanks for your input!

EDIT: Votes will no longer be counted. The community maintainers will keep you updated.
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wenchpower From: wenchpower Date: August 28th, 2005 04:10 am (UTC) (Link)
I'd say to collapse together everything but elfwoodrants and elfwoodplugs into one journal. Those two communities are completely self-explanatory and are things that people would reasonably want to avoid (I know that I don't want to see a thousand complaints about the mods rejecting this picture or the new chapter in that story I don't read every time I check my friends page, which is why I don't belong to them). The others are various aspects of the administrative or "in general" sides of Elfwood, so they could get compressed without too much trouble. Basically an "if it's a question, suggestion, or announcement about Elfwood, it goes here" community. My two Canadian cents! ^_-
violetice From: violetice Date: August 28th, 2005 04:52 am (UTC) (Link)
Thanks for the input :) I feel the same way as you pretty much. elfwoodrules, ew_suggestions, and elfwoodprojects are pretty much dead and could be combined to the main elfwood journal without any problems.
pet_student From: pet_student Date: August 28th, 2005 08:59 am (UTC) (Link)
I think you are right. Main Elfwood journal already seems to serve those purposes.
darksavvy From: darksavvy Date: August 29th, 2005 08:55 am (UTC) (Link)
I agree. The problem with having so many journals brings us back to the reason loth and the sci fi gallery were merged; too much confusion on where the appropriate location to post your topic is.
steppinrazor From: steppinrazor Date: August 28th, 2005 05:18 am (UTC) (Link)
The only reason I'd leave elfwoodplugs around is because of the feed on the main page. I think that's a nice little sparkly, though otherwise, I honestly think anything about Elfwood should be discussable on the main LJ... I mean, really, if you aren't interested in a particular post... scroll on by. I'm always a little baffled by the "I don't want to read this on my friends page! We should have somewhere else to put it so I can avoid it properly, and not be bothered to skim!" response I see in a LOT of LJ communities.

I don't think rants should be public at all. It's one thing to ask for advice on a picture that was rejected, and possibly discuss some things about the rules and whatnot, but to lambast anything at all, and then publicly display the kind of snarkiness and basic bad publicity that goes on in the rants LJ kind of makes Elfwood look bad on the whole. The rants LJ is also the community I see the most activity in. If people want to bitch, they can do it in their own LJ, where they're likely to get tons of supportive comments anyhow and thus can forego the "omg y r u so meen" responses.

Just my personal POV.
violetice From: violetice Date: August 28th, 2005 05:26 am (UTC) (Link)
The new feed is why I'd like to keep the plugs seperate, too.

I have mixed feelings about elfwoodrant. There have been some very good, well-thought rants as well as ones that were absolutely hilarious. On the other hand, I completely understand what you're saying.
ankewehner From: ankewehner Date: August 28th, 2005 07:14 am (UTC) (Link)
Did you know that the elfwoodrules lj is being imported on the rules page on Elfwood? If not for that, I'd like to get rid of it, same for the plugs journal, I don't mind either in the main journal.

I don't see why well-thought-out rants shouldn't be allowed in the main journal. I agree with steppinrazor on that one.



anotherdream From: anotherdream Date: August 28th, 2005 07:49 am (UTC) (Link)
Thomas can always be asked to remove the imported content from the rules page. To be honest, to have an entire community dedicated solely to discussing and clarifying Elfwood rules gives the impression that the rules are complicated enough for there to really be a need for an entire separate community...

And I agree with steppinrazor as well. Inflammatory rants should just go in your private journal; well-thought out ones that don't just invite trolling and yelling should be fine in the main journal.
From: allcuishpa Date: August 28th, 2005 12:01 pm (UTC) (Link)
"...gives the impression that the rules are complicated enough for there to really be a need for an entire separate community..."

Uh, I doubt anybody needed the existence of a journal to come to that conclusion, because they kinda ARE that complicated. :\
anotherdream From: anotherdream Date: August 28th, 2005 12:05 pm (UTC) (Link)
You're quite free to disagree on that point.

In any case, the rules journal doesn't get much traffic at all, and rules questions get posted in the main journal as well, and seem to fit in nicely. No reason why they couldn't be merged.
steppinrazor From: steppinrazor Date: August 28th, 2005 07:25 am (UTC) (Link)
Well, in spite of the entertainment value of the rants LJ (I get a kick out of some of the stuff that goes on there, really), the more intellectual, productive rants end up being -counter- productive by existing on that journal, as most of the time the general rule of thumb is "nobody's really paying attention to this, so if your issue is important, don't bother posting it here".
anotherdream From: anotherdream Date: August 28th, 2005 07:13 am (UTC) (Link)
I voted and that's that. :) I didn't vote for the projects journal to be gone, mostly because maybe someone wants to revive it.

And, by the way, to anyone wondering - the suggestions journal is pretty much dead weight. It was founded by the former head mod, and the current head mod or most of the moderators hardly even know it exists. Suggestions reach the proper people much mroe reliably through Elfwood support.
iaenni From: iaenni Date: August 28th, 2005 10:47 am (UTC) (Link)
I think everything can be said in one journal, but maybe keep plugs and rant apart like said in first comment.

Not everybody likes to read rants, and if there are a lot of plugs it could drown other posts (and hmm yes some people might just not care about plugs)

but suggestions can be made in the normal livejournal too, a question about the rules can be asked there too I don't see why not (after all a question about the rules might concern all)
From: allcuishpa Date: August 28th, 2005 11:58 am (UTC) (Link)
While this poll is neat and all, and everybody loves taking polls, how exactly does it determine which communities get the axe? Are there a certain number of votes one has to get to kill it, or is this just so you can gauge how much complaining is going to happen?
violetice From: violetice Date: August 29th, 2005 05:43 am (UTC) (Link)
The community mods and I are still discussing what we'll do with the results, but probably what will happen is the two or three with the most votes will get the axe, and the others will stay depending on the poll results and the moderatorts' discretion.

violetice From: violetice Date: August 29th, 2005 05:49 am (UTC) (Link)
err, moderators'
psamantha From: psamantha Date: August 28th, 2005 02:15 pm (UTC) (Link)
As much as I think elfwoodrant should go, it's the only journal I actively read anymore XP so I'll stick my vote in for condensing everything but ewplugs and ewrant and leave it at that.
kharmii From: kharmii Date: August 28th, 2005 11:06 pm (UTC) (Link)
I vote for keeping all of them. -But would like to see EW Crits more active... I used to like giving 2 cents on people's drawings!
violetice From: violetice Date: August 29th, 2005 06:20 am (UTC) (Link)

My own thoughts...

elfwoodprojects - this hasn't been updated in ages. I see no reason why projects can't be posted in elfwood.

elfwoodrules - For the sake of simplicity it would be nice to have this integrated into elfwood. I don't have a problem with rules being clarified there.

ew_suggestions - Posting here won't mean that your suggestions will be heard by anyone that can actually do something about it; that's what the contact form is for. If people have a suggestions but they want to share it with other members for brainstorming or whatever, then they can do it in elfwood. I'm all for giving this one the boot.

elfwoodrant - eh. On the one hand, it's the source of amusement for hundreds of people, but on the other hand, as steppinrazor said, having a semi-official channel for people to publicly bitch and whine makes elfwood look bad as a whole. If someone really has a valid, constructive rant, I'm sure they could reword it so that it would be appropriate in elfwood. That and it can be a real bitch to mod. @__@ (And I'm not specifically referring to anything recenty; I'm sure many of you remember the huge drama from a year or two ago).

elfwoodplugs - I don't like the idea of people having unlimited plugging in elfwood. There's the potential for it to get out of hand, since many more people watch it than plugs. And since Thomas has implemented the feed, it gives plugs a little bit more exposure.


Also, if you haven't noticed the edit to this post, voting will be allowed until Saturday night. That way it will be up for a week, so people that aren't able to check this community on a regular basis will have a chance to vote.
anotherdream From: anotherdream Date: August 29th, 2005 09:11 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: My own thoughts...

On the subject of ewrant - exactly. I also suspect that the existence of a rant journal outright encourages people to just be rude and unproductive about their complaints: why bother wording it better when there's a place for just yelling without thinking? Call me an optimist, but if there wasn't a place to just wank and whine about problems with Elfwood, some of the legitimate complaints might actually get posted nicely worded in the main journal an be subject to constructive discussion. If you want to bitch and boil, you can do that in your own journal, IMO. At the very least, the rant community should not be an "official" Elfwood community.
lukadia From: lukadia Date: August 29th, 2005 10:08 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: My own thoughts...

Semi-agreed. A really good ranting journal can't be controlled by the organization it exists to mock.

Which is why there's an elfwood_wank. It would be neat if more people would use EW_W instead of posting angrily whenever The Man comes down on unpatriotic (and therefore sinful!) posts here.

UP THE REVOLUTION!
eshkenazi From: eshkenazi Date: August 29th, 2005 06:29 pm (UTC) (Link)

Curious

If we get rid of the rants journal and basically merge it with the main journal so that 'well thought out' rants can go there...I don't think this is going to mean that everyone who wants to whine about something lame will automatically post in their own journal. I think it means that they'll still clog the main journal with their rants...which means that you'll have to do more moderation to get rid of the inappropriate rants. Which in turn means that you'll get more rants that are whining about the ones that were removed.

While having a rant journal maybe encourages ranting, it also means that all the whiny posts get to go in one place...that isn't the main Elfwood LJ page. I see that as kind of convenient.

I think that you either need to keep rants or ditch it entirely and allow no ranting here. I don't think you can merge it without creating more problems.

I agree that unlimited plugging in the main area would be quite annoying...
delitescent From: delitescent Date: August 30th, 2005 08:51 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Curious

I agree. I don't quite believe the idea that getting rid of the rants journal will suddenly result in only well thought out rants appearing on the main Elfwood journal. If people want to post "lame" rants then that is exactly what they'll do. Getting rid of the rant journal will only force them to go elsewhere to do it, it won't force them to stop. It's unlikely they will go and whine in their own journals because the audience isn't the same.
anotherdream From: anotherdream Date: August 30th, 2005 09:03 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Curious

But, should people come here to yell and scream, the maintainers would then be able to delete all the bitchy rants from the main journal for being against the rules.
violetice From: violetice Date: August 31st, 2005 04:39 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Curious

If elfwoodrant was gotten rid of, then what would probably happen is that rants simply would not be allowed in the main community. Most valid, thought-out rants can be reworded as suggestions, or, man, my brain can't think of appropriate words right now. You know what I mean, though. And like anotherdream said, people that come just to bitch would find their post deleted.
mnight From: mnight Date: September 1st, 2005 07:32 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Curious

I have to agree with this. I have Elfwoodrant on my alternate friends list so I check everyonce in awhile and it is sometimes funny....but I'd just as soon we didn't have it.
I mean the fact that Elfwood doesn't quite work the way every single person wants isn't changed by the complaints in that community(if it was more of a suggestions thing I'd say cool but its name is pretty clear on what gets put there). And complaints get recycled over and over since people aren't getting their way, and flame wars erupt and the trolls come down off the mountains...I'd rather not associate that with Elfwood.
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